I finally got to reconnect with my friend Maurice Philogene on his Try Life On podcast.

What made this one fun for me is that Maurice and I have a lot of resonance around the same idea, we just come at it from slightly different angles.

At one point in my Navy career, my answer to why I wanted the next role was basically, because it was the next step.

It was one of the moments that pushed me to get more intentional about the things I was saying yes to, instead of just staying on autopilot and following the path in front of me.

Maurice has his own version of that story too.

Different path, same kind of realization.

We got into the Golden Path Fallacy, what it looks like to turn off autopilot a little bit, and why becoming more intentional does not have to mean blowing up your whole life.

And yeah, we also talked helicopters, leadership, and what changes when the job shifts from being the expert to pulling out the best in other people.

Good conversation with a good friend.

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